Dearest Shafi saab,
I have full respect to you.
I would say it depends upon the persons perceptions, intelligence, knowledge to grasp the situation , banking environment , Banking Experience and also skills .
This reminds me of my own experience in two Organization when I joined , on the same date within 1 hour or so I found fraud in the books of account!!!!!!!
I had never gone through the Books of account. It was only interrogation with the employees only!!!
In one case Cash embezzlement by Accountant , debtors realization was done well back 5 years, outstanding for years !!! The transaction wise in the Fisheries Market, like Matka Bazar etc. There is no gone a way by any merchant like bookie!! All the merchants pay the money on due date only. No delay in making payment !!!!
Second case was cash embezzlement for last more than one year. There were no transaction when actual cash was counted. Cashier was given sufficient time to adjust the Cash in the meantime. One week was given by indication of suspicion .!!
This fact was not known to the Higher Management at all for years !!!
Even it was handled during all the period of earlier with under the CA also!!!
When professional enters in the Filed he should be at least fully conversant as Professional only and fully.
With due all care if the things are taken with fully as professional and expert every thing is possible.
This also reminds me of one case of End utilization of Banking funds. I went through Records of Physical Inventory , books , stock statement and all. Then I found the stock was submitted very over than it was. Machinery purchased was used for Stock Statement submission!!! There was a recovery of Rs 135000 for over drawal!!! Bank pays us the money , fees. It should always be a relevant but not measured correctly in terms of time and Fees equally. Fees were Rs 35000 / time I spent was Just Five days!!!! But should work as professionally , completely.
In the same way I found Fraud in accounts of Ratnamani Engineering Limited 31.03.1994 without going through the actual books of account!!! All You Know.
With due regards to Shafi Saab,
Shah D J
On Thursday, 29 January 2015 6:08 AM, "mohamed shafi shafi78647@yahoo.com [ICAI_CIRC_MEERUT_CA]" <ICAI_CIRC_MEERUT_CA@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
RBI Dy, Governor S s Mundra said...." if RBI inspectors are able to identify these divergences in the limited time-frame that they are on-site, why the banks' auditors are not able to do so…Is it a question of efficiency of the auditors or is there a much deeper issue - something to do with the transparency of the process itself?," he asked while addressing members of the Audit Committee of the Boards (ACB) of ICICI Bank subsidiaries & other bank employees."What is the limited time frame for RBI inspectors ???"limited time period" c is very vague termMohamed Shafi
From: "Nitesh More moreassociate@gmail.com [ThaneCAs]" <ThaneCAs@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Thane CAs] RBI on Bank Auditors:If RBI inspectors can identify fraud,why banks' auditors not?:RBI Comments on Bank Auditors [1 Attachment]
[Attachment(s) from Nitesh More moreassociate@gmail.com [ThaneCAs] included below]If RBI inspectors identify fraud in limited time,why banks' auditors not?:RBI Comments on Bank AuditorsPointing to the gaps in the auditors' work, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) has asked banks to adopt a more stringent auditing process to ensure that review of financial results and identification of fraud is done more promptly.
RBI Deputy Governor S S Mundra said there is a greater need to take a closer look into the asset quality, instances of restructuring of advances, provisioning held, etc. to ensure that there was no divergence with regard to asset classifications and provisions held.
"The point I am trying to make is thatif RBI inspectors are able to identify these divergences in the limited time-frame that they are on-site, why the banks' auditors are not able to do so…Is it a question of efficiency of the auditors or is there a much deeper issue - something to do with the transparency of the process itself?," he asked while addressing members of the Audit Committee of the Boards (ACB) of ICICI Bank subsidiaries & other bank employees.
With regards to provisions, he told banks that adequate provisions should be made for post-retirement benefits like pension, gratuity and leave encashment, etc. and the auditors should ask more pertinent questions to the banks with regards to provisioning requirements
"It is important that the ACB asks the right questions to the management about various underlying assumptions that go into computation of the required provisions such as life expectancy, discount rate, expected return on investments, etc. I urge the ACBs to ask uncomfortable questions," he said in his speech.
In light of instances of know-your-customer (KYC) norms violation Mundra has urged auditors to be stricter with the process of background check. Last month, RBI had imposed penalties on ICICI Bank and Bank of Baroda for flouting KYC and anti money laundering norms.
"I believe that the absence of an appropriate punitive mechanism in the banks for lapses has also contributed to their recurrence. Therefore, our expectations from the ACBs would be to closely focus on reasons for such regulatory penalties/sanctions and seek a root-cause analysis for preventing recurrence," he added.
RBI has also been cautioning consumers against the rising case of credit card and other frauds. Mundra called upon greater sensitivity and increased focus from auditors with regards to having appropriate measures in place to prevent instances of fraud.
"In our recently concluded scrutiny into fixed deposit related frauds in some banks, it emerged that even the caution advices issued by RBI in respect of certain individuals had not percolated down to the branch officials quickly enough to enable appropriate preventive measures… I would say that ACBs should take upon themselves to monitor the trend of frauds, assimilate key learnings and ensure that mitigation measures are put in place by the management," he added.Source: BS
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